Friday, June 26, 2009

Keeping your CCW options open II


As somewhat previously stated the additional advantage of the ASP is that is can go where firearms can not. A couple years ago I escorted a client over seas into Dubai, then Pakistan, followed by India. Our initial plan was to stay in Karachi for a week and I had begun talking with their Embassy in Chicago in regards to obtaining a permit to carry a firearm. Then I discovered that India wouldn't allow me to come in country with anything larger than a .380 (guess who didn't have a .380 then but does now), and the paper work for India should have been started six months earlier I was informed.

The situation then changed again we would only be in Pakistan for 24 hours before going into India. In a week I went from planning on carrying two handgun to no handguns and was left with few options.

So I went with a 21 inch (extended) ASP Airweight and a 7 inch fixed blade fight knife,a CRKT Hissatsu in desert tan.

Why desert tan and not black? Two reasons. The first: if you are going to find yourself wearing a lot of khakis, white shirts, tan shirts, blue shirts, a tan handled knife blends in better over black.

The second: bought of e-bay I saved $40.00 dollars because everyone wanted black and no one wanted a light brown knife.

We flew out of JFK in New York, bags x-rayed no issues (fly out of NY sometime with a gun :P good times), x-ray and screening through Abu Dubai customs, no problem...I'll cut to the chase I flew internationally for three weeks and multiple times inside India and never once had an issue.

To be honest when I carried the knife and the baton was I legal?

Nope.Not once that I could decipher.

But I have learned one thing about security check points and x-ray machines if you want to get something through. Overwhelm the poor bastard whose job it is to watch the monitor. The only trouble I had with the x-ray machine attendant was the morning we flew out of Karachi and the city was on high alert as Islamabad airport had been bombed about an hour before.
What caught the attention of the man behind the machine? My walkie talkies and the wires wrapped around them. Once the pucker factor went down and we pulled out the radios for hand inspection they were repacked and off we went.

What I'm getting at, is there may come a point in time when you have to weigh the options of being in a dangerous place and providing some measure of protection for yourself or others and NOT have the law in your favor. And even the smallest pistol isn't an option.

You want to really learn how to carry with discretion and go unnoticed (and this is not advice so don't send nasty letters from Rikers Island) find yourself in a position where you have to chose to be legal or right.

Should the situation you're in deteriorate to the point of fighting things like ASPs and knives hold several distinct advantages over guns. No serial numbers that are attached to registration papers someplace. No bullet with rifle marks left behind, nor gun shot residue. Neither requires being reloaded.

They are also highly advantageous with one in each hand against multiple assailants. The concept isn't new at all. The mountain men learned to carry a knife or tomahawk combined with a skull cracker like their Indian counterparts. Go watch Michael Mann's Last of the Mohican's and then look up Subway attacks on youtube.

You will find times aren't any more violent the people have only changed.

Again I'm not advocating anything here. But we live in a mean and nasty world where evil hunts and stalks and doesn't play buy the rules because there are none anyway.

ASPs come in four lengths and two weights. Standard and the Airweight which is 40% lighter and a nice option to have especially if you are going to carry a pistol and reloads.

Lengths go as follows
6"closed 16" Expanded
8"closed 21" Expanded
9.5"closed 26" Expanded
10.5"closed(I think) 31" Expanded

Personally the 16 & 21 inch models carry a bit more readily on the body. The 31 inch is more styled for riot cops.

If you're an outside the box thinker, that 31 inch model can have a grip cap put on and the shaft painted brown and suddenly you've got this short looking walking cane.

Traveling into unfriendly places that say no guns and have a couple of security "conscious" buddies going along or you just like packing spares of everything? Pack two or three of the 16 or 21 (ooor 26 inch) models together wrap them with rubber bands and pack them with the camera equipment and gosh darn it if they just don't look like a tripod.

Or so I've heard.

No nasty letters or asking for bail money or money for F. Lee Bailey you are responsible for you (hippies included).

7 comments:

James R. Rummel said...

Good post once again!

James

la said...

Cool post, thanks for the info.

I wonder what your thoughts are on just carrying a solid walking stick? What advantages/disadvantages would that have over an ASP?

teke175 said...

This is more of a question.

Here in TX my permit is only good for Firearms not a general weapons permit. I completely understand you view on the ASP. However it is specifically stated as illegal to carry batons. I know it is always a personal decision whether or not to follow I am not sure how bad the trouble actually is.

Montie said...

teke175,

Although I am a cop in Oklahoma, I did get my CJ degree from Sam Houston State University in Huntsville, and have a passing familiarity with TX laws.

You could go with OC spray as an intermediate option as Texas law specifically excludes small chemical dispensers designed for self defense when it lists "chemical dispensers" as a prohibited class of weapon in Title 10.

Having carried and used both ASPS and OC for a number of years, I can positively say that OC can be very effective, although lacking the intimidation factor of the ASP. Both have their place.

I have tried concealing my 16" lightweight ASP along with a gun spare mag, handcuffs, and a small high intesity flashlight(and sometimes another gun) while in summer attire. I might as well wear a duty belt! A small OC can is much easier to deal with than even a 16" ASP, and as a civilian you aren't breaking the law by carying an "illegal" weapon as defined by Title 10.

Matthew said...

Teke175

Ultimately its about what you are comfortable with doing and not doing. If carrying an ASP is illegal in Texas but you can carry you handgun then it seems like a moot point. It doesn't mean you can't have one for when you travel to states that do.

States are becoming very open to revamping and adding on to their CCW laws to make them stronger. So let your local law makers know that this is a desirable addition to CCW.

After all they work for you.

mike said...

When I was on business in Abu Dhabi I carried an ASP baton. I don't recall what size it was. I also added a aftermarket flashlight to it that replaced the end cap. I was asked once when going through customs about it, I said "Oh, that's just another flashlight" and turned it on, and they let it go through. :)

After 9/11, when I was over there I got in the habit of hitting the dollar store first thing when we left the boat and bought a few trinkets (every woman I knew got a rosewood jewelery box, several friends got rosewood coaster sets, and just about everyone I knew got a brass camel) and a large chefs knife. I ended up buy 20 or 30 knives while I was there, but I figured it was best, if stopped, to have a receipt for the knife from that night in the bag along with some other stuff, so it didn't look like I just went out and armed up. Luckily I never needed to use it, although I once almost got into a fight with an Afghani street merchant a few days after we started bombing Afghanistan.

Also made some decent spending cash by bringing in pepper spray and stun guns for the guys I worked with to send to their wives back home in Egypt so that they were somewhat safe while the guys were there.

Anonymous said...

I live in Houston TX and commute to work on the Metro, I have a Peacekeeper International Rapid Containment Baton (http://www.peacekeeperproducts.com) with me at all times during my commute, the RCB is like an ASP on steroids. All sorts of mentally ill transients ride the Metro. This May Metro Police shot a suspect when he threatened them with knife after he assaulted someone on the train. I have personally witnessed two assaults on the train during my commutes. I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried about by six..